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I mean what the fuck were they thinking.
I mean what the fuck were they thinking.
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There is no going back now, O look we made her a good guy by knocking her down.
Pull that shit in a place like Eugene and watch what happens. Cops these days need to chill out, there is always an alternative to violence.
I would not want to be in that group of cops doing a job. Because now they are a target for a huge shit storm.
So the police literally snatch her up and arrest her to muzzle her, and make any lawsuit look like it was a sour grapes thing. when you sue the PD it looks different to the court if they arrested you on some charges, or if they hit you in the face with a baton and then never arrested you (obviously they would have arrested someone doing something so illegal as to need a baton to the face).
Thank you Bush voters for the police state. Now go shove a baton up your ass.
Based purely on what she was wearing, I wanted to hit her too
Say whatever snark you want about how she dressed or whatever other grade-school nonsense, but police brutality is not fucking funny. And these power-trippers should be in jail, being assraped by the very people they locked-up.
BillO's comments are generally satire or just not serious.
The bitch screaming "Do it again" tells me we don't know enough of what is going on here.
She was saying "Don't fuckin' do it again".
The "bitch"?
See, this is what I was talking about. That comment is just too lame. Apparently, some people believe that it's ok for a riot-cop to clothes-line a small girl with a metal baton, who obviously from the video, was not "pushing him or hitting him".
Frame-step through the video, and you can clearly see she was at least 4 feet away from him.
And why would some code-pink girl be "hitting and pushing" a riot cop?
Dude, please.
He polaxed a 7 stone girl from his vantage point of 16 stone lard arse half-riot gear. He could grab her by the scruff of the neck and drag her anywhere he wanted, there is no situation in which this would be a necessary response. Unless she was a zombie from 28-days later.
You often stand up for the "it's only a few bad police, it's not all of them, bad ones just get more attention" and you're often right where people ARE over reacting or not seeing the full picture, but you've overshot by 10 miles here pal.
At the time I was not protesting. I was acting as an observer for the People's Law Project, and was dressed in a button shirt and a neon-green baseball cap stating that I was acting as a representative of the National Lawyers Guild. I followed the protestors out of Civic Center Park, but remained on the sidewalk until pushed by riot police into the street. At no time during the abortive march did any legal observer, or any marcher that I have spoken to, observe any destruction of property, any thrown objects, or ANY ORDER TO DISPERSE BY THE POLICE.
At some point during my visit to Gitmo on the Platte, the compact flash card I had been carrying that contained photographic documentation of the protest disappeared. This included pictures of the badges of some of the officers involved, images of a marcher OBEYING police orders being shot with pepper spray point-blank in the eyes while trying to retreat (when I was hauled away he was sitting with a street medic, and I could hear him sobbing again and again, "I can't see..."), and photographs of a second protestor who was shot three times by what appeared to be three separate officers with bean-bag guns while KNEELING, motionless, 15 FEET AWAY, hands outstretched as if in prayer, and wearing nothing but a pair of POCKETLESS shorts."
-Nathan Acks' experience. Read full story here.
No, it was just "Fuckin do it again"
"ho obviously from the video"
No, NOTHING is obvious from the video, other than confrontation. We can draw NO conclusions from this video as to what happened prior to the incident.
"You often stand up for the "it's only a few bad police, it's not all of them, bad ones just get more attention" and you're often right where people ARE over reacting or not seeing the full picture, but you've overshot by 10 miles here pal."
I thank you for seeing the insanity that goes on here, but I do not think I overshot anything. I called her a bitch because I think that Code Pink women are just obnoxious and annoying. Other than that, my first comment said the same as this: we don't know the full story.
Code Pink = bitch
No, it was just "Fuckin do it again"
"ho obviously from the video"
No, NOTHING is obvious from the video, other than confrontation. We can draw NO conclusions from this video as to what happened prior to the incident.
OK, it's become apparent that I shouldn't engage with you in any sort of discussion.
From your idiotic "bitch" comment, to your pseudo-macho screenname, you're obviously all for power-hungry cops beating the shit out of anyone who doesn't agree with your red-meat vision of this country.
And sorry dude, I have a full offline editing suite I'm sitting in right now. I cut and edit video for a living for the editors guild, and do this alllllll day long for 12 years. I know how to look at frames, I know how to study the shit out of them.
What is in this video is not open for debate. It is a little girl, four feet away from this cop, screaming "Don't fuckin' do it again", then suddenly and violently getting clothes-lined by him.
End of fucking story.
MGR is sometimes a little over macho, but he's by no means a brainless meat head. I started out hating him, but i have to give him his dues, he didn't and doesn't deserve hatred, he's got a lot of great and important things to say, just sometimes he is a tad bit ... er... militant? It'd be your loss (as it was mine for a while) to completely ignore MGR.
But any ass with windows movie maker can look at a video frame by frame. I don't care what kind of shit you have - it won't show you what's not in this video (events before or after the clip is cut)
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MGR is sometimes a little over macho, but he's by no means a brainless meat head.
I actually didn't think he was. Usually "brainless meat heads" have horrible grammar, or do the stupid ALL CAP THIGN.
But, the "bitch" comment about some little girl he doesn't know who was practicing her 1st amendment right, and the three references to assuming this girl was in the wrong, leads me to believe he's the 'shoot first, ask questions later' kind.
I don't ignore anyone. Well, except for those 9/11 Truther morons.
After a year of asset protection I have never ever had to lay into some one. Asset protection is basically a private police officer, but I never exercise my duty outside of my jurisdiction. I am no longer in asset protection.
And if we did, it was Assault and Battery. On extreme cases conspiracy to commit.
He said "Back Up Bitch," and then smashed her. Out of line, out of control and completely fucked.
You never ever lay a hand on a private citizen like that, you take them by the arm and tell them they are under arrest for disobeying an officer of the law. That is the law, you cannot ever harm a private citizen, no matter how much of an asshole they are being.
Officers of the law have to tell a citizen why they are being arrested, no matter what. If they don't it is false imprisonment. The bill of rights requires it. Now before we scream about how she was going on and egging him on, thats exactly what he should not have done to her. Read my bold comment.
This is bullshit, just like that guy who decked the bike rider, same shit different place.
If I cant do that in my line of work then they cant either we are all governed by the same laws, that we swore to uphold.
you can have an "opinion" that this is not police brutality, but your opinion is wrong. period.
anyone who argues that this isn't police brutality demonstrates they have no respect for the rule of law, common sense, and are quite possibly a closet fascist.
with respect to *insert name* who doesn't believe this is illegal--what if that was your mother getting wrecked in the face with a baton, instead of someone who believes in something you don't--would it be illegal then? your inability to separate reality from your own prejudice is disgusting.
why do some people sign up to be soldiers when we are in the middle of an illegal invasion? so they can kill and rape third world humans.
if your sick of seeing videos like this, start doing something about it.
There's the problem right there.
See, we don't know what took place before this video starts. What we do know is that the cop assaults her and then when she is on the ground, he DOES NOT arrest her or detain her or question her or continue to do anything that would seem to necessitate the force being used.
See, if he was trying to control a situation or make her obey orders, then if she is so clear not in compliance with his order, they would arrest her. If she was disobeying his order to "moOOOoove" then the question is, is the proper response to hit her in the face/throat area?
Yes, we don't know if she was calling him names or taunting him, but we do know that:
(a) he was in no physical danger
(b) there was not a crowd / wall of people
(c) he should have been in fear for his safety
(d) he was selecting out one person (no one else around her) to push
No one else in the immediate area was being shoved.
If moving people was so important for safety or whatever, then why was she allowed to lay on the ground in the exact same location, why did the police not drag her out of the way? Why was she not arrested.
They should start with verbal command and then use force to control a situation if someone disobeys the verbal order. If someone disobeys a verbal order in these situations they would arrest her. The fact that she was not immediately arrested should tell you something.
You are absolutely right - I hadn't thought of that. To be honest, I paid little attention to the events after the strike. I knew the thread would focus on that itself.
Up until then, I was going to say "over use of force != brutality", but you make a very solid point, JD.
HOWEVER - to the mother fuckers saying I don't support 1st Amendment right or shit like thst:
Fuck off.
I signed my life into guardianship of those rights, so don't think for a second that I think they should be smothered.
So yes, that was brutality, and he should have his testicles chopped off with a rusty cleaver.
Not only is it abuse of power, abuse of a woman, it makes it that much harder for the respectable cops to do their job.
I do agree with MG though that on the Sift people all too often watch 30 second clips (like this), make a TON of assumptions, and then act as if all of those assumptions are indisputable facts. I would really like to have seen the footage leading up to this clip. Clearly it exists, but the original poster probably felt that this edit would accurately get out his/her political message.
since we don't have a video of the events leading up to what is shown, but we have brains--how about you go ahead and describe an event leading up the start of the video which would justify the officer assaulting her in the manner he did.
heres one:
"the woman just shot another cop in the face, dropped her weapon, and started to get in this cops face"
even in this situation, you cannot justify the cops actions! in fact there is no possible situation that you could conceive that happened before this that could have justified it. so why don't you get over your prejudice and wake the f*ck up?
2) Stop calling women bitches. It's a gender-specific sexist term. The 90's are over, it's 2008. Show a little respect.
3) I know you empathize with authority figures because of your job, but I think you need to take that into account when making judgements like this. This guy is a coward who isn't protecting or serving anyone. He should be in jail tossing salad. You disrespect the honor of all police officers by sticking up for this maggot. If you are concerned with how the public perceives police officers, then you should be furious at this guy.
4) Why do people hate Code Pink? They are for peace and women's rights, two things that are generally accepted as noble causes. Enough of the He Man Woman Haters Club already.
\/ note: Don't know if you're talking to me, but I wrote this before reading your apology. (comment edited)
I've already admitted that I was wrong - what more can I say?
You mean I didn't with my last comment?
I've already admitted that I was wrong - what more can I say?
I would like to give massive respect to MarineGunrock for changing his mind on the issue.
1) There is never a good reason to hit a small innocent unarmed woman in the face with a baton.
Well, unless she is a bitch, you mean.
2) Stop calling women bitches. It's a gender-specific sexist term. The 90's are over, it's 2008. Show a little respect.
Eh? I've been called a bitch before..
(often after being slapped in the face and kicked in the nuts and ooooh i liked it!)
Seriously though, it's not..
edit: lol at implied invocation of tossed salad man
I do agree with MG though that on the Sift people all too often watch 30 second clips (like this), make a TON of assumptions, and then act as if all of those assumptions are indisputable facts. I would really like to have seen the footage leading up to this clip. Clearly it exists, but the original poster probably felt that this edit would accurately get out his/her political message.
>> ^imstellar28:
>> since we don't have a video of the events leading up to what is shown, but we have brains--how about you go ahead and describe an event leading up the start of the video which would justify the officer assaulting her in the manner he did.
heres one:
"the woman just shot another cop in the face, dropped her weapon, and started to get in this cops face"
even in this situation, you cannot justify the cops actions! in fact there is no possible situation that you could conceive that happened before this that could have justified it. so why don't you get over your prejudice and wake the f ck up?
You just made my case for me with that post right there. Exactly where is the prejudice in my original post? Exactly where do I state in my post that the cop is justified? All I said was that I wanted to see what happened leading up to this and somehow you jumped to the conclusion that I blindly approve of all police actions in this video and beyond. You claim to have a brain--please use it more effectively to stop acting like your assumptions are categorically true.
gotta give him his props for both taking back his comments and for stirring the pot. Everyplace needs someone like that from time to time.
MGR, just don't stir the pot in Denver while wearing your pink hairbow, you might be called a bitch and poleaxed (I just had to type that once) by the cops.
Not really a cop thing now issit??? They just happen to gravitate t'wards an outlet, for their fucked up programs.....BUT-It is fucked, that we let the folks who are here to keep order, go unscrutinized and evaluated....quarterly, and give them so many illegal alien criminals, free reign to fill the inner cities with danger, fear, and dumbassness.......WTF does one expect?? There are folks that have know what too expect for years....they orchestrated it-
My opinion? (Audio, and my own demented form of logic)
Cop: Shoves protester, saying "back it up bitch"
Protester: Feels cop has no right to touch her, hopes someone would video tape what happens when she says "fuckin do it again!"
Camera moves to view (no longer opinion, video fact):
Cop: does shove her again, this time with considerably greater force and an inital impact, at her shoulders, baton across upper chest, knocking her down.
Cop: "Back up bitch!"
I think what you see here was an escalation against someone who was obviously there for a confrontation (people just watching/showing support don't need bullhorns). Not for me to say if it was warranted or not, but unless you were there and saw everything, including what she said to him while the video was blurred out and the audio edited, it's not for you to say either.
I want to see or at least hear the 10 previous seconds whoever youtubed this obviously felt the need to edit out.
She was begging for it. Thank god our policemen and policewomen are willing to protect themselves. I take the side of the police officers here. Then they arrest her on top of it. Excellant job. Pwnij.
This is just street theater for them, when they left for this protest they knew exactly what they're going to do provoke confrontations (later edited only by their own people, very bolshevik) seeking footage like this, trying to duplicate the Rodney King video or Don't-tase-me-bro asswipe.
YOU HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED by master propagandists.
Someone let me know when this goes to court and ALL the facts come out. If a jury finds the cop guilty, I'll be the first to apologize, but never for berating Code Pink's underlying foul, murderous ideology.
You mean I didn't with my last comment?
I've already admitted that I was wrong - what more can I say?
Too many people like to shoot off their comments before they get to the end of the thread. They must just love hearing the sound of their words in their head, typed out and submitted for all to see.
>> ^joedirt:
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
1) There is never a good reason to hit a small innocent unarmed woman in the face with a baton.
Well, unless she is a bitch, you mean.
A comment dripping with satire.
Everyone else except MarineRock crying police brutality here.
She was begging for it. Thank god our policemen and policewomen are willing to protect themselves. I take the side of the police officers here. Then they arrest her on top of it. Excellant job. Pwnij.
A comment which proves my first point... read the entire thread or face the wrath of the mighty downvote (wooooo). Sheesh.
>> ^Xax:
Something is seriously, seriously wrong. Videos like this reinforce my belief that all citizens should be allowed to be armed. I'm not saying the cop should've been shot, but I think he might've hesitated before throwing his weight around and grossly abusing his power and position.
Um, I'm not an American Rights Scholar or anything, but I think you already have that right.
Oh man, that's a video I want to see on the top 15.
"Code Pink armed with shotguns"
Might end up violating the no-snuff rule, though.
Also, I checked out the full story from the link below.
>> ^EDD:
"Last night at approximately 7:30pm I was arrested <snip> a second protestor who was shot three times by what appeared to be three separate officers with bean-bag guns while KNEELING, motionless, 15 FEET AWAY, hands outstretched as if in prayer, and wearing nothing but a pair of POCKETLESS shorts."
-Nathan Acks' experience. Read full story here.
The cops sound like complete tools for what they did - but so does this PZ Myers guy. Looks like one of his fans agrees.
http://pzmyers.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/pz-myers-is-an-endless-distortion/
PZ failed as a blog writer by combining two disparate topics into one post. Way to undermine messages through conflation.
Adding video to channels (Humanitarian) - requested by Krupo.
Never ever go straight to escalation.
Should have just arrested her not beaten her.
http://www.crimedoctor.com/security_guards_2.htm
More so the confrontational ones that just have to be at the front of the line.
Also, that wasn't a head shot, it was a standard forward push used to force a crowd backwards. Generally however, it's done with the end of the baton at mid chest height. That was a little high, but still not in the head.
Oh and look, theres a megaphone on the ground beside her. Makes you wonder how long she'd been there playing the goody goody two shoes facade.
Like I said, maybe it's just me, but after the first viewing my gut said "fake". If it is totally legit then I think the cop did step way over the line...however I think very few of us know what it feels like to walk close to the line every day. I used to play in a tabletop rpg with a cop (he had his pistol on him even when we were playing...it was very surreal) and he and I had some very frank discussions about his profession. When I first met him I thought "Whoa...this guys a giant dickhead." Once I got to know him, and more importantly once he got to know me my opinion changed quite a bit. We're still friends and I have a mountain of respect for him, and a better picture of what its like to walk in his boots...every day. One of the most memorable things that he said to me went something like this:
"I don't think people out in the general population know how it affects your psychology to constantly be reminded of the math. The math of how we [cops]perceive "you guys" viewing us ends up roughly like this.
-75% of the population thinks we're automatically an asshole and are only around to harass them
-20% genuinely hates us and will do anything to hinder or foil us without actively committing a crime
-3% are just waiting for their chance to shoot us and get away with it
Lastly there are the 2% who seem to appreciate what we do and generally try to be as helpful as possible...and those two percent are almost universally military, ex-military, civil servants of some kind or someone who is already committing some crime that we probably wouldn't give a shit about but they're scared out of their continence that we might catch them.
If the math looked like that on my occupation I might come across as abrasive and callous after a while as well.
that Madonna look-alike got what she had coming to her
I agree with you BillOreilly. I think there are many instances in which striking somebody with a baton while their back is turned is warranted. This is definitely one of those instances. Especially considering the fact that she was female, the fact that she was tiny and the fact that she was peacefully protesting.